Wednesday 20 July 2022

Collective Punishment – Belfast Style

 John Wilder published an excellent and thought provoking article today, complimenting his Monday article on collective punishment.  The obvious idea here would to read those first before continuing on if you are so inclined.  He is a much more accomplished writer.

Rather than wade in with my clumsy hob-nailed boots as I often do over at his place, I thought it best to offer the following here where I can clean up the mess in solitude.  The blame will all be mine.

I really like his description of the Neanderthals being much more Morlock to our Eloi’s than just hairy cavemen.  In addition I have read of a study of children’s nightmares where on average boys fear the monster in the closet and girls fear the monster under the bed.

The guess was that the womenfolk slept up the trees while the men would guard the base of the tree – hence our danger comes from different directions.  We have come a long way from there to preferred feckin’ pronouns.  

I have often thought along the lines that the losing hominid groupings would be forced out to more marginal lands such as woodlands to eke out their subsistence.  In addition, bone and other fragments of their remains would be harder to find.  Bigfoot, Sasquatch or Yeti?  Food for thought if you have the time.

What he really challenged me with was the idea of collective punishment.  I recognise his thoughts and in light of the ‘woke culture’ (sic) and such behaviour I cannot disagree.  My own experience and recollection are off on a different tangent completely.

Growing up in a fairy-tale existence of ‘armoured car and tanks and guns’ I have other memories.  In such an environment we had zero desire for a heavily armed and oppressive police force – as you can imagine.  The response at the time initially was the use of classic Sinn Fein tactics.  

WTF - I can hear the response from most of you.  This very idea was as popular as a bouncing betty over at BCE’s place when I mentioned it once.

I don’t mean the idea of blowing shit up or that a republican would stand in front of a camera dodging and denying IRA membership – that’s just shite.  Forget all the BS you’ve seen in the last 50+ years from the mostly Brit media.  I’m referring to the tactics employed in the period 1919 – 21.  

The success of that time was not brought about just by the Guerrilla war fought by Michael Collins’ IRA flying columns. It was an extraordinary time where separate courts and judiciary as well as the skeleton of the middle class and civic structures were put in place.  They were there and ready for the time to take over from the British civil system.

I’ll leave the history lesson there as it’s still painful for those that care. In early 1970 the community I was born in did much the same.  Even so far as setting up areas such as Free Derry.  As I was wearing nappies at the time I have no first-hand knowledge to impart.

Community ‘justice’ would start out with tar and feathering or forcing criminals to stand in public places with signs describing their ‘crimes’.  These efforts were aimed more at ritual humiliation than harm or torture.

Eventually as times darkened, more serious offences would lead to kneecappings (shooting offenders in the knees).  The worst offenders would on occasion be shot dead.  Republicans did not need individuals in their communities trying to run rackets behind their backs with the Brits at their front.

Time passed and an informal system grew in place similar to FAFO. If you FA you will get a visit and told to ‘wind your neck in’. That started the sliding scale all the way up to terminal lead poisoning.  There was no drug problem on our streets and women could walk home safe at night. Sigh, sadly no more.

It is not my intention of scaring the crap out of folk. Those circumstances were the extreme end of the scale but the beginnings in 1969 were very similar as in all times of civil decay.  In the fear and uncertainty of that time men in the communities gathered together and formed local defence groups.  There was no IRA at the start in '69 – think about that.

Well then, on a lighter note, spicey time cometh again.  Please do not run around with a head on fire crying ‘woe is me’ - that's nonsense.  I read a number of the blogs and posts of wiser, better trained (not difficult) and more experienced men than I.  The answers all rhyme.

‘Meat space’ or ‘local baby local’ are great throw away versions of the same idea. Local men (mostly) and women that live in the same communities getting thrown together suddenly when the SHTF with either power out, no food or wandering bands of ‘diverse ‘utes’. We have them now also – thanks Sinn Fein.

You may not believe me but I have wonderful memories of a happy childhood playing in troop infested streets.  Dark memories also but shit happens.  Even the tiniest light can throw off the dark.  A few folk working together can be very powerful force multipliers.  That’s why all the moovies and TV programing are full of lone wolves protecting the cattle stories.

Don’t go all postal on the nearest suit.  In any grouping always watch for the informer (we had them before glowies were popular).  Sadly in quiet times they are usually the most useful member.  3 man cells are the ticket but there’s no time for that and we’ll all be too busy

Community justice cuts both ways.  Do not expect redress at the ballot box.  Modern Sinn Fein proves you can’t fix a rotten corpse from the inside.  Come together locally and get to know one another in school boards etc.  The state can’t be fixed but it can be replaced.  If they crash it all we’ll will get to replace it all the quicker.

Never despair - prepare


  1. I have often wondered why my fellow Americans don't realize how fortunate we have been. If these people had grown up in the streets of Northern Ireland, or had lived in Cold-War Germany, or any other country in the world, how much differently they'd see things now. I have often been disgusted by my own countrymen when encountering them in a foreign country. They complain about how it's "not like back home" and completely miss the opportunity to learn about different cultures and understand why things are the way they are. I suppose my point is that some Americans deserve some mass punishment to make the childish ones understand. The left seems quite willing to impose mass punishment on the right while they are in power, yet were the opposite circumstances in place, the left would whine like two year old children when their punishment came. When the coin flips, it will not be punishment. It will be much more serious than that. It will be a reckoning. Hopefully of Biblical proportions.

    Apologies if I strayed off topic; I don't think my coffee had sufficient caffeine. Out of curiosity, how do you view Americans ? Be open and honest; if my old hide is thick to ask the question, it's thick enough to take the answer.
    I hope whatever day this comment finds you is a grand and glorious one! It's hotter than Satan's permanent vertical smile here in the Heart of Dixie.

    1. Howdy ChuckInBama. I must admit when I hit publish on this one I thought – wow and my page hits are low already LOL.

      I moved away after the ‘peace’ agreement in ’98. I moved to Scotland and I was often asked what it was like growing up in that environment. Truthfully I’ve nothing to compare it with – it all seemed normal to me. That’s just the oven this cookie got baked in.

      As a young man I studied Politics as a side course at college before going on to Uni. I thought the American Constitution was the finest document ever crafted by men.

      In the original Republic corporations were banned. Apparently Delaware was the first state to allow them –money talks etc. That for me started the rot in the timbers. Other states followed suit – not wanting to miss out and that began the influence of money.

      As for Americans….. fuck it, here goes my page views LOL. I have only met a few in person. Back in the Troubles day (stupid name by the way) those I met were nice, genuinely interested but naïve beyond belief – got people killed. I’ve met and worked with a few since also. Nice people, but………….

      There was a feeling that they were immune to consequences - cocky. An amazing aura of confidence based on nothing I could see. CIB, I have a very positive feeling towards your people but fuck me I’d love to see DC nuked

      In my teens I read everything I could about Vietnam. How to defeat an Empire but it was always through the eyes of the grunts, Huey Pilots etc. Nothing practical for me then but I got a real soft spot for ordinary GI’s.

      The average man has no business joining and engaging in combat to the death – they are shit at it. For a decade the money men/’elite’ gutted and sent off the flower of a generation and if they came back spat on them.

      The fuckers who spat on them in their ‘moral superiority’ (draft exemption) went on to tenure in the Universities. That’s where the commies got their start and everything else is just intended consequences.

      A flower has no control where it grows. It’s what you do when you ‘flower’ that counts. Short of begging Putin to invade us to sort out our vermin controllers we need to sort our own shit. I pray for a day when the skanky corpses of the DC/UK/EU elite hang in gibbets for the crows to pick at their bones as a lesson for the rest

      PS We had 2 days of 85 degrees a week ago – that was our summer

    2. I see your view of Americans closely matches mine. Most of the people I come in contact with on a daily basis seem to have no concept of the problems going on in the world today; as long as they can get the new I-Phone and watch the "big game" they are happy. Naive is a very kind word for them and it seems you are much more kind than !. Perhaps in my old age I just have less patience than I should, but I feel the time draws near when people like that will be obstacles more than anything else.

      My national pride would not be hurt at all if DC were nuked, as well as a few other progressive population centers, and maybe even the financial centers. Perhaps we could do better with a second chance, knowing where we made the mistakes before. But then again, those people I see every day wouldn't be able to make things better, they'd fall into the trap of wanting precisely what they have now. It doesn't work any more and those who are just a bit aware talk of "voting harder". We'll have to suffer some hard times before folks understand hard decisions are needed.

      I'm afraid I won't be helping your page hits !
      Still hot here, as it should be this time of year. I think I'd sell what's left of my soul for ten minutes of rain ! I regret now that I didn't take the time in my younger years to visit Northern England and Scotland. I'm descended from Yorkshire men and should have made the effort. Perhaps once we get this mess sorted out, there will still be time.
      Until then, be well. I know you can take care of yourself. And I'll be back whenever you feel the need to write.

    3. Drop by any time CIB. I feel we are both disappointed by our fellow countrymen and women. It’s like a hypnotic spell has been cast over them all. A zombie apocalypse where none of them are aware of their own existence or environment. I have some crazy ass ideas on that one LOL.

      I’m getting to be a greybeard myself so I am a lot less diplomatic than I was as a younger man. I think the big difference for me is that when I blogged previously I wanted to wake up the sheep. Now I know they are beyond help and I need to seek out the lions.

      Sadly, between the wu’flu, the clot shot and the sun is hot climate hysteria of late we are going to be fewer in number pretty soon. The idiots that would be King have no idea that Darwinian Theory is in play and survival of the fittest actually means something.

      Don’t sweat the page views. Before I went AWOL the last time I had a great wee group of folks to chat with. I left them hangin’. That’s on me.

      I find writing as much fun as root canal. It takes a lot of effort for me. As a youngster I studied maths and science ‘cause writing essays was torture. It’s just nice to know I’m not howling at the moon on my own.

      You would like Yorkshire. I’ve holiday’d there a few times. It’s nowhere as hot as your place and I plan on being there next summer. A little known fact is that Yorkshiremen aren’t English – not according to them.

      Avoid crowds my friend, seriously. I’m prepped as much as I can in this place. Winter’s coming and the time to store is getting bloody short. The herd has no idea.

      PS. CIB also means Combat Infantry Badge. Got one of those?

    4. You write well enough, as painful as it may be to you. Lions need few words and that may be our failing with the sheep; they don't understand our language or just don't care.

      My understanding of things is that you folks across the pond have had a rougher go of it than we have down here in my neck of the woods. Fortunately I'm not too near any liberal hives, but they walk among us. Even a lot of the good conservatives aren't ready for what may soon happen and are content to follow the herd. Survival of the fittest, indeed. So I'll continue my preps, just as we must, in case this is the winter of discontent.

      I do avoid the crowds and I know you do the same. I'm practically a hermit now; wife and I rarely go out except to replenish/stock. The world we grew up in no longer exists.

      And no CIB for me. My service was during the mid 80's and I did not have the opportunity to apply my training. Besides, I was an armor crewman. I still maintain my proficiency with pistol and rifle, but a 105mm main gun is hard to come by in civilian life !

      I enjoy your blog and our chats. And may the morning find you well !

  2. Stick around gentlemen, there is a Great Culling coming in the not too distant future.